Fantastic, untrumpeted RL development

[Legolas]

USA 37 22 Jamaica in the inaugural Atlantic cup held in florida. Personally i think this is brilliant and should be trumpeted.

Does anyone else think that the winner in 2012 should be given a 2013 World Cup?

[Oldham_Saint]

I'd love to see an England 'a' team play the US.

If they have followed what is the norm in US sports, then they will be very fit, athletic, and almost certainly well organised.

Although if a game did take place, the score would probably be one sided, but as against Wales, we may struggle for the first 50 minutes minutes, it would be interesting to see how both sides coped.

[E Saint]

Does anyone else think that the winner in 2012 should be given a 2013 World Cup?

:eek: You win a comp in 2012 and are declared 2013 World Cup Winners???? ;)

Seriously tho, it depends on the actual quality, remember the Russian performances in the last world cup over here, the scorelines were embarrising. There's no point having massive one sided scorelines in the tournament, it could set the nation on the receiving end back years.

[Legolas]

:eek: You win a comp in 2012 and are declared 2013 World Cup Winners???? ;)

Seriously tho, it depends on the actual quality, remember the Russian performances in the last world cup over here, the scorelines were embarrising. There's no point having massive one sided scorelines in the tournament, it could set the nation on the receiving end back years.

lol :o

There is a truth in what you say but I still think its worth considering. Even if they end up in a sub-world cup comp against the countries who don't qualify.

[E Saint]

lol :o

There is a truth in what you say but I still think its worth considering. Even if they end up in a sub-world cup comp against the countries who don't qualify.

An emerging nations world cup is well worth doing, I think they've done it before haven't they?

If they had the same number of teams in both tournaments the matches could be played as curtain raisers to the main matches.

[Legolas]

An emerging nations world cup is well worth doing, I think they've done it before haven't they?

If they had the same number of teams in both tournaments the matches could be played as curtain raisers to the main matches.

I'd probably prefer to watch that than the main matches, particularly if the same format continues in 2013

[doghead]

http://www.rleague.com/db/article.php?id=34944

Some handy players there for Jamaica, the yanks are getting better.

[southernsaint7]

the pleasing thing for me is all the yanks are from their own comp looking at the teams they play for, for this they have to be recognised and praised

[Sadfish]

only in an amarican team can there be brothers called, Apple and Taco Pope.

[DD]

The American team has been going for years and so has their league.

In fact, England played the USA and beat them 110-0 not so long back but, amazingly, the Americans led Australia 24-6 in a game since then before losing about 36-24.

Whilst the Jamaican team might be new, I hardly think this is grounds for major excitement. Nothing big is going to come of it.

[Sadfish]

The American team has been going for years and so has their league.

In fact, England played the USA and beat them 110-0 not so long back but, amazingly, the Americans led Australia 24-6 in a game since then before losing about 36-24.

Whilst the Jamaican team might be new, I hardly think this is grounds for major excitement. Nothing big is going to come of it.


geez where have you been the Jamaica leagues been going for years too, and why so down on everything, get a grip man, its a good thing.

[The Chief]

All I can say is.....Go the yanks!

Imagine when the game does get a proper foothold in the Universities and the English kids are going over to America on scholarships to play RL. Im hoping that happens in time for my kids when they leave school.

[DD]

Imagine when the game does get a proper foothold in the Universities and the English kids are going over to America on scholarships to play RL. Im hoping that happens in time for my kids when they leave school.

lol

[eddiewaringsflatcap]

geez where have you been the Jamaica leagues been going for years too, and why so down on everything, get a grip man, its a good thing.

That 110-0 was 9 years ago........



It was 9 years ago, but what else has the game in the US done then. Please, don't give me any quotes or titbits from Richard on the Seine's Rugby League World.

The reality is that the game in the US is little more than NL2 standard at best.

I am heartened it has attracted a pocket of interest in some areas, but anyone who thinks the game can challenge notable in our lifetime is somewhat misguided.

Hosting the Soccer World Cup was supposed to challenge the NFL, NBA etc and the world s sport remains distinctly in its place.

If the US can grow without daft predicitons ffrom people reading Rugby league World where they would have you believe that the game is booming in Bolivia, King's Lynn, Malawi and just about any other random place then that is a good thing.

[DD]

The reality is that the game in the US is little more than NL2 standard at best.

I would imagine that the standard is more akin to the North West Counties League, to be fair. lol

It's nice that the game is being played in such places but I find it kind of sad that people get all giddy and excited about it.

Quite frankly, it has as much chance of becoming a major sport in the USA as ralivo!

[eddiewaringsflatcap]

I would imagine that the standard is more akin to the North West Counties League, to be fair. lol

It's nice that the game is being played in such places but I find it kind of sad that people get all giddy and excited about it.

Quite frankly, it has as much chance of becoming a major sport in the USA as ralivo!

Dave you pessimist.

After reading this month's RLW, I am awating a 2010 clash of the titans:

USA versus Sweden!

Sweden....FFS!lol

[Sadfish]

It was 9 years ago, but what else has the game in the US done then. Please, don't give me any quotes or titbits from Richard on the Seine's Rugby League World.

The reality is that the game in the US is little more than NL2 standard at best.

I am heartened it has attracted a pocket of interest in some areas, but anyone who thinks the game can challenge notable in our lifetime is somewhat misguided.

Hosting the Soccer World Cup was supposed to challenge the NFL, NBA etc and the world s sport remains distinctly in its place.

If the US can grow without daft predicitons ffrom people reading Rugby league World where they would have you believe that the game is booming in Bolivia, King's Lynn, Malawi and just about any other random place then that is a good thing.

I never mentioned anything about it being blah blah blah.

get off your soap box, it's just a report about a couple of teams who play the game outside of flat cap land.

or maybe thats the problem some people still have........ ;)

[yogi bear]

Well done to the Yanks - all their players seem to play in America where Jamaica seem to have quite a few from over here. I like the sound of the Jacksonville Axemen.

Really annoys me when people decide to be Scottish or Irish for a few weeks to play in a world cup then decide to be English if selected . Makes a mockery of the international game . Once you make your choice and play for a country - that should be it .

[St Michael]

Some of us can go back a little further.

In the 1970's and 80's an ex American Football player, Mike Mayer, fell in love with the greatest game and spent years in negotiating with British and Australian bodies in a (vain) attempt to sell the game in the USA.

One match he promoted was between Warrington and Wigan in Milwaukee in June 1989.

The teams were shown the venue a few days before the game. The playing surface was cement! Needless to say, the players were not impressed. The game eventually went ahead on turf, I think it was imported to the original venue, but they may have hastily moved to a more suitable site. My memory isn't that good, given the clubs involved.

What I do remember is that the American spectators, and particularly the press (mostly half interested American Football observers) were absolutely in awe of the players' lack of body armour given the physicality of the game, and don't forget it was a friendly!

Sadly, I think Mike Mayer is no longer with us, but he bust a gut during his lifetime trying to establish RL over there.


http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&docID=news880615_0326_2855

[Sadfish]

Some of us can go back a little further.

In the 1970's and 80's an ex American Football player, Mike Mayer, fell in love with the greatest game and spent years in negotiating with British and Australian bodies in a (vain) attempt to sell the game in the USA.

One match he promoted was between Warrington and Wigan in Milwaukee in June 1989.

The teams were shown the venue a few days before the game. The playing surface was cement! Needless to say, the players were not impressed. The game eventually went ahead on turf, I think it was imported to the original venue, but they may have hastily moved to a more suitable site. My memory isn't that good, given the clubs involved.

What I do remember is that the American spectators, and particularly the press (mostly half interested American Football observers) were absolutely in awe of the players' lack of body armour given the physicality of the game, and don't forget it was a friendly!

Sadly, I think Mike Mayer is no longer with us, but he bust a gut during his lifetime trying to establish RL over there.


http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&docID=news880615_0326_2855

The stuff mayer did is nothing to do with thte current American setup that was pretty created solely by David Nui, an Aussie with an american wife, he's the one who has kept on plugging the game to what it is now, contrary to what DD blurts its actually a very well run, self funded, self player sourced competition across different states.

The difference of course between David Nui and Dave Concannon is that one does a lot of work to promote the game and the other just complains about it all the time ;)

[Div]

geez where have you been the Jamaica leagues been going for years too, and why so down on everything, get a grip man, its a good thing.





How is the bobsleigh team doing these days ? ;)

[Sadfish]

How is the bobsleigh team doing these days ? ;)

hehe Bobs doing ok man.

[St Michael]

The stuff mayer did is nothing to do with thte current American setup that was pretty created solely by David Nui, an Aussie with an american wife, he's the one who has kept on plugging the game to what it is now, contrary to what DD blurts its actually a very well run, self funded, self player sourced competition across different states.


Fair comment, but Mayer was a great advocate of RL for many years.

[Sadfish]

Fair comment, but Mayer was a great advocate of RL for many years.
You are right, the Milwaukee thing was massive, I remember it and the footage is on a DVD I think??? soemwhere....

[St Michael]

You are right, the Milwaukee thing was massive, I remember it and the footage is on a DVD I think??? soemwhere....

I'm sure there will be some footage somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

[DD]

The stuff mayer did is nothing to do with thte current American setup that was pretty created solely by David Nui, an Aussie with an american wife, he's the one who has kept on plugging the game to what it is now, contrary to what DD blurts its actually a very well run, self funded, self player sourced competition across different states.

The difference of course between David Nui and Dave Concannon is that one does a lot of work to promote the game and the other just complains about it all the time ;)

Or one is a bonkers dreamer who has more time and money than sense to waste flogging a dead horse and the other is me. ;)

How many people watch this competition and how many more than what watched it in it's formative year?

It's great that the game is being played out there but it's embarrasing when people try to trump it up as being the first seeds of something big. It's a few blokes enjoying the game and having a bit of a lark in the same way the lads are playing Gaelic football in a park in Levenshulme on a Sunday morning.

[Sadfish]

Or one is a bonkers dreamer who has more time and money than sense to waste flogging a dead horse and the other is me. ;)

How many people watch this competition and how many more than what watched it in it's formative year?

It's great that the game is being played out there but it's embarrasing when people try to trump it up as being the first seeds of something big. It's a few blokes enjoying the game and having a bit of a lark in the same way the lads are playing Gaelic football in a park in Levenshulme on a Sunday morning.

The amount of people "watching" isnt necassarily a counter for the quality of the sport or how the sports future is laid out, at the level they are playing.

Whats more important is that they are playing the game and they are playing it internationally and creating interest in doing so, as this thread proves.

[Wanderer]

Hosting the Soccer World Cup was supposed to challenge the NFL, NBA etc and the world s sport remains distinctly in its place.
Good. Soccer's place in the US is in schools, much like rounders over here, except in Latino communities where it is of course more keenly followed.

Rugby league has an advantage over soccer in that it is a very physical contact sport and Americans tend to like their team sports physical, albeit not at quite the same level as the antipodean loons. But the US is a big place with a ton of competing sports and so if RL does make an impact over there it will be a very slow grower, unless they raise up a group of players who show true genius, in which case the Yanks will be all over them in a flash.